So when patients do become resistant to both covalent BTK inhibitors and BCL2 inhibitor venetoclax, this is a challenging population of patients to treat. One of the key distinctions is to understand whether these patients are so-called double exposed or double refractory. If they’re double exposed, meaning that perhaps they came off their covalent BTK inhibitor due to a toxicity, you may be able to try a different covalent BTK inhibitor and still get response and tolerability...
So when patients do become resistant to both covalent BTK inhibitors and BCL2 inhibitor venetoclax, this is a challenging population of patients to treat. One of the key distinctions is to understand whether these patients are so-called double exposed or double refractory. If they’re double exposed, meaning that perhaps they came off their covalent BTK inhibitor due to a toxicity, you may be able to try a different covalent BTK inhibitor and still get response and tolerability. However, if patients are truly double refractory to both mechanisms, then the main option now is a non-covalent BTK inhibitor, pirtobrutinib, which has a high overall response rate in the range of about 80% in that group. However, the PFS is only in the range of about a year and a half or a little bit less, and therefore we need new options for that population. We do have in the U.S. liso-cel, the CD19 CAR T-cell therapy approved, where we see about a 20% rate of complete response as monotherapy. And there’s very promising data now from BTK-degrader drugs in early phase clinical trials that look quite active in the double and even a triple refractory population.
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